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juri0juli, January 5th, 2012, 7:19 am ( Reply )

- So..Matsuda, nice perfect gentleman, or suspicious perfect gentleman? Give me your take, I'm curious how you guys perceive him as. : )

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Well, I'm suspicious of everyone who is nice but I still accept kindness when I need it.

I believe all people have selfish motives one way or another, but sometimes the only selfish factor is "I want to see that person happy" which is still selfish so... Idk.

The fact that he can pay for all of it makes it suspicious already, cuz it's like...to pay for the meal is one thing, to pay someone's hospital bill is another. - ,-; (I know at least that much!)

posted by kuroi_hitsuji on January 5th, 2012, 8:45 am

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Ugh. you've stolen my words. XD

But well, selfishness can do of these kinds. If it's selfish after all, it's for him, not for her, in some way.

So there is no much difference, between the meal and the hospital bill, that is.

posted by FireBorg on January 5th, 2012, 11:13 am

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logically, there is no difference, huh? If they both mean the same selfish to him. XDD

I wonder if it's "MUWAHAHAHA" selfish or just douche selfish. We shall see. XD

posted by kuroi_hitsuji on January 5th, 2012, 7:21 pm

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You guys live through some difficult experience (not judging). I understand the selfishness can be the same if its driven by a motive but how is helping someone to see them happy a selfish thing? Guess I'm one in a million that would help someone if they needed it with no intent to be paid back. If i have the means to help someone whether it be a sandwich or a bill its ok as long as the situation isn't taken advantage of.

posted by Guest of Honor on January 6th, 2012, 12:51 am

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@Guest of Honor:
You misinterpreted us. =)

About what you said:
That alone IS selfish.

Why would you help someone in need?
Why you feel like helping?
What's the reason for you to help them?
What makes you SEE they need help?

And more important:
How do YOU feel after helping?

We're not talking about something physical, but mental/psychological.
It's not about materialism, it's about self-pleasure or satisfaction.
It's a gain, a self-gain.

That said, we can say that ALL the possible actions are selfish, we just have to twist the perspective and see'em the other way around.

It's about philosophy and so it's much more complex than this and I don't wanna wall-of-text here, but I hope this gives you a basic idea of what we meant.

If that's what @kuroi_hitsuji meant too.

posted by FireBorg on January 6th, 2012, 10:35 pm

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This is what you don't understand about my previous comment: regardless of someone's feeling being "selfish in all possible actions", the fact that something has been done about the situation is what matters to those who are trying to make a difference.

Selfish or not the outcome has changed and that's all what some ppl look for when they try to help.
For example, not all comic book heroes sit back and watch the news with self-gratification after every save. Some just want to make a difference. Is that really selfish? Ergo, a minute hole in your logic.

Sooo its not psychological/mental but basically a twisted, negative viewpoint? Or maybe a catch 22?

posted by Guest on January 9th, 2012, 12:08 am

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I think he's doing it to help. He looks like a nice guy to me. Both of them are good friends, maybe even more than friends.

And I had bad experiences with people who pretended to be so nice, me being nice back and then all of the sudden they stab me in the back without any thought of their actions. I had that happen to me a lot. But for someone to do something so amazing to help me out is new to me. So this is also probably new to the girl too.

For some to say he's doing it to be a douche is not really being optimist. Or even thinking this through. Being overly cautiousness will hurt you in life. Not everyone is out to get you in the world. You guys thinking that is pretty selfish yourself.

Still, the girl has NO money and she needs help. Her mother is all she got in family.

posted by Nerxual Oh on January 9th, 2012, 9:15 pm

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FireBorg-san, yes you got it right. XD

I shall wall of text this and say...

Yes, sir and/or madam.

Depending on your interpretation of the word selfish.

Selfish means (to me) "to do things for one's own gratification"

Your gratification may involve making a difference. You don't have to be praised. You can give a poor man a meal and a house and never be thanked by the man and still be happy, right?

You did all that to see him happy, and therefore, in a way, are doing it to satisfy the desire to see him happy.

This is not really a heated debate, honestly. Having free will instantly makes all actions selfish. Just not in the negative sense that you seem to be assuming.

It just means everything we do is done because WE want to...not because someone else wants us to.

I just brought it up cuz I felt like saying something this LOL.
Though I didn't think someone would bother to read and get worked up over it.

So yeah, it's actually psychological...but more over metaphysical in a way...and it's not a twisted, negative viewpoint. It's factual. As long as you remove the moral connotations of "selfish"...all men with free will are "selfish"

posted by kuroi_hitsuji on January 11th, 2012, 4:36 am

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@Kuroi: Okay I see what you mean now XD That makes a lot more sense.

posted by Nerxual Oh on January 11th, 2012, 5:55 am

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